Posts by Las Malvinas son Argentinas

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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

by slimboyfat in

i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

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Contrasting personalities and lifestyles too.

Rutherford:

Privately profane and boorish

Extravagant lifestyle - Beth Sarim and apartments kept for him in NY and Bethel

Alcoholic

Abandoned his wife and lived with a mistress

Racist

Franz:

Friendly and accessible

Lived in a humble Bethel flat

Possible teetotaler? If he drank it wasn’t an issue

Lifelong Bachelor and celibate

Spoke several languages and enjoyed going to foreign conventions

By all accounts, Bethelites enjoyed having Freddie around while they longed for Rutherford to go back to San Diego. I think that’s a huge reason why Franz’s era seemed to be celebrated more than Rutherford’s. Even Knorr wasn’t as big of a prick as JFR was. Certainly Franz had a higher degree of morality than Rutherford.

Don’t let that fool you. The Knorr/Franz team was every bit as destructive as Rutherford.

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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

by slimboyfat in

i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

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What was Franz’s role regarding blood I wonder. Did he 1) come up with the idea to refuse blood transfusions 2) someone else came up with the idea and he fully supported it 3) he went along with the idea but was not enthusiastic, or 4) some other option?

The blood issue was pushed by the quack Clayton Woodworth (first editor of what became Awake!). Woodworth also preached against aluminum cookware and tried to change the names of the months and days.

Rutherford was more of a pragmatist than Franz was and didn’t adopt these silly ideas. Woodworth did outlive Rutherford by almost 10 years, so I suspect he had some influence on Franz.

One thing that is often overlooked is that disfellowshipping was ramped up after Rutherford’s death. During his lifespan it tended to happen primarily in cases of open apostasy and/or going directly against Rutherford. Knorr/Franz were obsessed with sex and so the most often abused reason for DFing in modern times was thus born. Also they cracked down on alcoholism (Hayden Covington was DFed for this) and banned smoking.

It’s a bit of a wash for me. Rutherford took the Russellite movement and created the foundation of the cult-like movement that exists today. Franz was way more of a puritan than Rutherford was and did his own set of damage, especially with the strict enforcement of DFing rules and the added set of rules that were not to be broken.

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The JW's are suing Mark O'Donnell in civil court for millions.So protect the pedos, and suit the whistelblowers? Shame on this cult!

by WingCommander in

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link to his announcement on www.jwchildabuse.org:.

https://www.jwchildabuse.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-editor-of-jw-child-abuse-website-for-millions/.

if anyone needed any further proof of how low and despicable this cult has become, here's more evidence.

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Journalists have been known to do what Mark claims he did (or even worse). Difference is that the media outlet they are employed by gets sued and there’s some sort of settlement that is paid out to make the case go away. The publicity alone was worth that. The perfect crime. WT knows this will break him even in the event this gets tossed. This is why “freelance” Scientology bloggers and activists need to be very careful as to what they are getting involved in. No exJW gofundme as Redditors are suggesting is going to raise $150K or whatever Mark says his legal fees (so far) are. Not even his former mentor was capable of raising that kind of cash on the fly. This can go on for years.

Yes, I know “WT bad, Mark good” but the laws still apply. I hope for his sake Mark gets out of this and his legal representation advises him correctly on what issues he’s safe on and where he’s potentially liable. And should it become clear the WT has a case, I hope he puts his animosity for the WT aside and looks for the best way out of this.

Sometimes it’s better to be more practical than right. This lawsuit is the last thing someone nearing retirement age needs. Nothing is worth spending the rest of your life in poverty and dodging creditors for a ridiculous sum you can never pay.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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I’ve never bought into the “Lloyd is gay” talk. Like slim said, there are only hints such as his choice of Thailand with its notorious ladyboys, and I’d add his preference for anal sex and his lack of sexual chemistry with his wife. With that said, there is plenty of evidence he is straight - his incessant messages to female Instagram models and his infamous attempt to poach female attendees from a London speed dating event.

If anything, I’d say the Thailand trip was an attempt to explore his sexuality further. (Oh and also to rub his wife’s face into it and teach her a thing or two about telling him what to do in his personal life). Jabba the Hutt may have teetered on the edge of heterosexuality and even into homoeroticism, but we have to remember that the guy has such a victim mentality. If he were in anyway gay or more likely bi, we wouldn’t hear the end of how everyone is gay-bashing him for going to Thailand.

While I’m here, I might as well mention he’s at 319 patrons which leaves him at +9 from his last begging stunt. He had specifically asked for 576 pledges. The die is cast regardless of the activity or inactivity of this thread. No matter what stunts he pulls to get the numbers up, the results are only fleeting and they will always return to roughly 1/3rd of what he was or less. A day of reckoning should be upon him soon as he enters a time in his life where he needs to seriously plan for retirement. Is 319 + whatever he gets from YT going to be enough?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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So an intermittent discussion about the continuing Jabba the Hutt saga gets reinvigorated by some random fool posting yet another “why can’t we stop talking about LE!” comment.

Now we’re talking about Wilmslow folks knowing everything about what that Evans boy did in Thailand.

Googling “The Streisand Effect”…

I can confirm that Gonzo and his Thailand sexcapades have been talked about in JW circles. I’ve reconnected with my PIMI brother and the subject came up. JWs love to gossip. They are hesitant to bring up names but they know. This is not just something that is being discussed here on this thread.

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Damon Wayans witnesses in interview

by neat blue dog in

jws have been loving this & sharing on social media, millions of views in the last few days.

damon does have some light swearing here and there, but he claims to be a practicing jw and gives the whole witness theology about the signs of the last days & breaking down the words of the lord's prayer regarding god's will being done on earth.. starts at the 28:55 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfhnlqfuadw.

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The part about how his mum wasn’t a JW whilst his dad was really explains why that family seems to have it both ways. He even admitted to ending his marriage due to a relationship with a woman he was in a movie with.

Amazing though how JWs had/have so much talent among their ranks: The Wayans, the Jacksons, the Williams sisters, Prince, Larry Graham, George Benson, even Terrence Howard who also gave an interview about how Diddy was trying to groom him. He went into detail about how gays disgusted him.

But they are all black. Hard to find a white JW who was famous. It’s like what comedian and writer Paul Mooney said:

Jehovah’s Witnesses are like Scientology for black folks.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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Sidekick guy, if you’re reading this, don’t work for free, have some self respect!

Are you speaking of Arthur Weber, his guest on the last few livestreams? Arthur Weber has no self respect and has been that little cackling Muppet character chained to Jabba the Hutt for years. Lloyd never respected him and talked down about him to others and sometimes publicly. He kept him around because he thought Arthur’s immature geek image would somehow make him look better by comparison.

Arthur is the guy behind the COC copyright fiasco (he printed the books and had a Romanian translation ready to go) who admitted by email that the scam was an “arrangement” with him and Lloyd.

He’s absolutely of no benefit to Jabba the Hutt and his continued presence only proves the point that no self respecting individual wants to be seen with him. The minute anyone worth having as a collaborator comes upon the scene, Arthur will discarded like yesterday’s bread.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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So I just received this in my email. Has he been any help...No

Jabba the Hutt has a long history of congratulating himself for everything from a job well done to touching people’s lives. It seems to be a kink with him that is almost as powerful as the one he has for Thai ladyboys. JW Survey had been up maybe 2 or 3 years and he came up with “JW Survey Day” on the anniversary of its founding and asked people to submit comments of how much Lloyd had positively affected their lives. If you don’t believe me, the link is here. He describes in detail three different ways people can join him in celebrating a holiday he created for himself!

https://youtu.be/ECge5lI4MF0?si=Fr5jp7_4nlBmHXtz

Even better was this response:

https://youtu.be/djimgDt7Csc?si=qSm1s_vXzf8SHQr4

There was even a “Thank You Lloyd” video a few years later that people like Mark O’Donnell, Javier Ortiz, and I believe even Kim Silvio recorded segments for, praising Lloyd for all his good deeds that he (Tibor) spliced together for a compilation video. That’s how he views himself. The fact that hardly any of the people appearing on that video feel the same way now is testament to the fact that he’s an asshole.

Seeing how the last begging stunt didn’t work and how he had to go back to making videos, he’s likely planning the same congratulatory video montage to create the illusion he is still hard at work saving lives and people just love him. FYI - Jim Jones made the same kind of videos where people praised him.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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People are free to contact Theresa Khalil here:

https://www.theresakhalil.com/contact-me

She’s a self described “professional listener”, which also happens to be the preferred interview medium for Jabba the Hutt. But please be advised that this is a YT channel with 4.56K subscribers.

Leah Remini has moved on to hosting American game shows. Mike Rinder (whom I take was much more closer to Lloyd than Remini ever was) has unfortunately passed, so there’s not a whole lot out there for him anymore.

Lloyd’s the footballer who had one or two good seasons a few years back, blew all his money on hookers, blow and cars, destroyed his body, and is now over 40 and desperate to get on with a team in Taiwan.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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I don't recall him mentioning holidays or vacations anytime recently

He was taking pics of himself solo hiking in Slovenia. It was pitiful. Had the emotional heft of a Texan vlogging a weekend trip to Tulsa. In his latest pic he dyed his hair black and was using the iconic “keep calm and carry on” with a British flag emoji. People were speculating in the comments that he may be in the UK, but it looked like he was in that attic flat. Almost like he just remembered he was British and he wants to get the fuck out of there NOW.